I support going to electronic (pdf preferred) and making a clean break from the printed/mailed version. I would offer the following food for thought, in no particular order: 1. There's no reason to protect the document from access by the public. We are here to increase public knowledge and awareness and BG would be one more element in that activity. We had always protected our recent publications so our membership felt that their dues were supporting the publication printing and mailing. My feeling now is that the BX/SX have become the driving force in both our membership recruitment and ensuring financial stability for the Society. This is of course to the hard work of our BX and SX volunteer Directors and the generosity of our membership in donating materials.. 2. A mobile-friendly version should only be considered if there is significant member interest and if our resident IP folks know that it can be done at VERY LITTLE extra effort on the part of the volunteers. 3. It isn't clear to me how the newly-freed funds would be redirected into the group orders. In our prior orders, we made every effort to make the enterprise revenue-neutral to the club, and all costs including shipping and customs were bundled into the final invoices to members. It's possible that some costs were absorbed because they came after everyone had settled up (perhaps a delayed charge for duty or fumigation?) Arnold can give us the actual numbers, if any costs were indeed eaten by our treasury. But I think philosophically we always intended for members to pay the full cost of their orders, with the treasury just advancing funds to the vendor to get it started. The group orders are designed from teh onset to be revenue neutral. We ran into unexpected costs with the last two orders due to a fumigation charge, unexpected charges by the customs clearing house that we never paid before. One example was the implementation of a tariff. The orders were place, paid for and on the way when tariffs were placed on the order. We paid duty, customs fee, bond fee, cartage, airline service fee and a fee to Aphis. These were costs that we did not pay on the first group SA Bulb order. With the extra funds generated by the default to online publication of the Bulb Garden, we can support some large orders and can fund a greater range of scholarly grants as well. Arnold _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net https://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/… Unsubscribe: <mailto:pbs-unsubscribe@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> PBS Forum https://…