An electronic Bulb Garden document is the correct choice for 2025. KenP If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor ~ Desmond Tutu On Sunday, December 21, 2025, 3:00 PM, Robert Lauf via pbs <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: I support going to electronic (pdf preferred) and making a clean break from the printed/mailed version. I would offer the following food for thought, in no particular order: 1. There's no reason to protect the document from access by the public. We are here to increase public knowledge and awareness and BG would be one more element in that activity. 2. A mobile-friendly version should only be considered if there is significant member interest and if our resident IP folks know that it can be done at VERY LITTLE extra effort on the part of the volunteers. 3. It isn't clear to me how the newly-freed funds would be redirected into the group orders. In our prior orders, we made every effort to make the enterprise revenue-neutral to the club, and all costs including shipping and customs were bundled into the final invoices to members. It's possible that some costs were absorbed because they came after everyone had settled up (perhaps a delayed charge for duty or fumigation?) Arnold can give us the actual numbers, if any costs were indeed eaten by our treasury. But I think philosophically we always intended for members to pay the full cost of their orders, with the treasury just advancing funds to the vendor to get it started. 4. I agree wholeheartedly that it would be great to broaden our net w/r/t group orders to include sources in South America, Europe, Japan, and elsewhere if members can provide good contacts with desirable plants. The obvious caveat is that we would need to simultaneously broaden the group of volunteers to step up and bird-dog such initiatives. Bob Zone 7 sunny and 57 today! _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net https://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/… Unsubscribe: <mailto:pbs-unsubscribe@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> PBS Forum https://… _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net https://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/… Unsubscribe: <mailto:pbs-unsubscribe@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> PBS Forum https://…