The new name is pretty well established among plant people out here, to the point that it isn't unusual to hear people talking about Blue Dips instead of Blue Dicks. Robert In warmish, windy, and suddenly dry (humidity at or under 20%) San Francisco, On Sun, Oct 29, 2023 at 5:56 PM Jane McGary via pbs < pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: > I think Jan is right to keep Dichelostemma capitatum, a name people at > least on the west coast know well. By the way, it's a pretty plant and > the earliest themid to flower. It favors areas that are moist in spring > and dry later. > > Mary Sue's remark about the number of true stamens (rather than 3 > stamens and 3 staminodes) is a distinction of this plant. > > I recommend that the SX and BX publish synonyms along with previous or > new names, so people won't think they're ordering a marvelous species > they've never encountered before. I got caught often back when eastern > European collectors sold seed under names based on the old Soviet > floras, which often differed from general western concepts. > > Jane McGary, Portland, Oregon, USA > > > On 10/29/2023 2:49 PM, Jan Jeddeloh via pbs wrote: > > When I put together the seed list I cut and paste the names directly > from World Flora Online https://www.worldfloraonline.org/ < > https://www.worldfloraonline.org/>. As of now the name they list for > this plant is Dichelostemma capitatum so that’s what I used. I have to use > something as my authority and that’s what I’ve decided it will be. World > Flora Online is a well respected source for plants names. Many plant > names are in flux these days and different authorities will use different > names. I’m not trained in taxonomy nor do I have the time or energy to go > into the weeds on taxonomy hence my decision to stick with one naming > source. > > > > The bottom line is I will be sticking with Dichelostemma capitatum until > such time as World Flora Online changes the name. > > > > It’s fine if someone wants to post additional information, as Mary Sue > has done, about naming controversies but I’m staying out of the > arguments. Most of the time a quick google search will reveal any recently > used names anyway. > > > > Jan Jeddeloh > > > >> On Oct 29, 2023, at 10:01 AM, Mary Sue Ittner via pbs < > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: > >> > >> I noticed in both the recent SX and BX that there is confusion about > this species. Dichelostemma capitatum been restored to a previous name, > Dipterostemon capitatus (Benth.) Rydb. > >> First published in Bull. Torrey Bot. Club 39: 111 (1912), and that is > what the Jepson Manual, the authority on California plants is now calling > it along with Plants of the World Online and iNaturalist. However, the > Flora of North America is still including it under Dichelostemma capitatum, > but since I've been working on the wiki I have noticed that source to be > very slow in updating "bulb" names when they are changed. And World Flora > Online has not updated it either. I don't know what other states where it > grows are calling it. So some people have submitted corms and seed under > one name and some under the other. > >> > >> It is very confusing because from a distance this plant looks a lot > like Dichelostemma multiflorum and Dichelostemma congestum and their names > have not changed, but it has always been different from them in having 6 > stamens instead of 3. It you are interested in reading the paper where the > change was proposed here is the link: > >> https://phytoneuron.net/2017Phytoneuron/… > >> > >> And by the way it has previously been known as: > >> Brodiaea capitata Benth. in Pl. Hartw.: 339 (1857) > >> Dichelostemma capitatum (Benth.) Alph.Wood in Proc. Acad. Nat. Sci. > Philadelphia 20: 173 (1868) > >> Dichelostemma pulchellum var. capitatum (Benth.) Reveal in Taxon 32: > 294 (1983) > >> Hookera capitata (Benth.) Kuntze in Revis. Gen. Pl. 2: 712 (1891) > >> Milla capitata (Benth.) Baker in J. Linn. 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