pbs Digest, Vol 153, Issue 2 what's happening in the bulb world

John Davies via pbs pbs@lists.ibiblio.org
Mon, 05 Oct 2015 23:56:29 PDT
Hi I'm in Sutton Coldfield English west widlands,eucomis various types all flowering really well for about a month now,also nerine bowdenii and Alba in good bloom with lots to come,sternbergia also putting on a good show.Indian summer with occasional wetness!

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>   1. Re: Bessera elegans (Karl Church)
>   2. Re: What's going on in the bulb world... (Jim McKenney)
>   3. Re: Colchicum cilicicum blooming and more on new blog post
>      (Jane McGary)
>   4. Talk by PBS President in SF Bay Area (Mary Sue Ittner)
>   5. More list woes (David Pilling)
>   6. Autumn is here! (Leo Martin)
>   7. Re: Bessera elegans (Diana Chapman)
>   8. Re: Bessera elegans (Diana Chapman)
>   9. Re: Bessera elegans (Karl Church)
>  10. Re: What's going on in the bulb world... (Brian Whyer)
>  11. Re: What's going on in the bulb world... (David Pilling)
>  12. Re: Colchicum cilicicum blooming and more on new blog post
>      (Travis O)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2015 11:32:46 -0700
> From: Karl Church <64kkmjr@gmail.com>
> To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Subject: Re: [pbs] Bessera elegans
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> Diana,
> 
> Thank you for the beautiful photos. I enjoy reading your blog & love the
> images you post. Are you able to sell bulbs of those Besseras or would it
> be just seeds?
> 
> Karl Church
> Dinuba z9
>> On Oct 5, 2015 10:34 AM, "Diana Chapman" <rarebulbs@suddenlink.net> wrote:
>> 
>> My Besseras are all in full bloom now, and I have a new fuchsia pink one,
>> grown from seed acquired some years ago.  There is a picture on the blog:
>> http://www.thebulbmaven.typepad.com/.  Has anyone seen any other colors (other
>> than the usual orange one and the purple one)?
>> 
>> Diana
>> Telos
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> Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2015 18:35:01 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Jim McKenney <jamesamckenney@verizon.net>
> To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Subject: Re: [pbs] What's going on in the bulb world...
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> Sounds like fun, David.?
> Jim in Maryland.?
>      From: David Pilling <david@pilling.demon.co.uk>
> To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> 
> Sent: Friday, October 2, 2015 6:38 PM
> Subject: [pbs] What's going on in the bulb world...
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> Hi,
> 
> (thinly disguised test message).
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> My first amaryllis opened today, there will be many more, I've got 7 
> stems this year. No nerine bowdenii yet, but there are buds.
> 
> I got two heavy boxes of bulbs last week - just need to decide that the 
> bedding plants have had their day and get on with dibbing bulbs.
> 
> -- 
> David Pilling
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> Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2015 11:44:34 -0700
> From: Jane McGary <janemcgary@earthlink.net>
> To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Subject: Re: [pbs] Colchicum cilicicum blooming and more on new blog
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> In response to the recent post by Kathy Purdy asking about the name 
> "Colchicum cilicicum," here is an extract from a catalog prepared in the 
> 1990s by the Dutch-French bulb expert Antoine Hoog and distributed by 
> the export company Hoog & Dix. This isn't a "real" publication in terms 
> of taxonomy, but I often resort to this when curious about the identity 
> of commercially distributed bulbs. It reflects a generations-deep 
> familiarity with the Dutch bulb industry as well as sophisticated 
> botanical knowledge.
> 
> "Colchicum cilicicum (Boiss.) Dammer ... originally from Turkish 
> imports, but the exact origin is not known; differs from /C. byzantinum 
> /Ker-Gawl. by the narrower, intensely coloured perianth segments, giving 
> a starry appearance to the flowers, by the very short perianth tubes and 
> by flowering one month later; honey scented; ht. 10-12 cm; X-XI [i.e., 
> fl. October-November]."
> 
> The catalog also lists /Colchicum cilicicum /(Boiss.) Dammer 'Purpureum' 
> "from gardens; inside of flowers imperial-purple [such color 
> designations are part of a Dutch standard], with greyish-white central 
> vein, outside violet-purple ...."
> 
> In this catalog /C. byzantinum /and its white form are still listed as 
> species, though later they were identified as hybrids; the colored 
> variety is "from gardens" and has "numerous amethyst-violet flowers on 
> lolng white perianth tubes; large corms with a flat base." The flat base 
> of the corms is also seen in /C. bivonae/, by the way.
> 
> We further read that /C. bivonae /flowers a month earlier than "C. 
> cilicicum," and I observe this is my collection, which includes C. 
> bivonae forms grown from wild-collected seed.
> 
> May I just mention that the most spectacular Colchicum in flower today 
> is a seed-grown /Colchicum cousturieri /in the bulb house; the flowers 
> are small but wonderfully numerous, and a pleasant light pink.
> 
> Jane McGary
> Portland, Oregon, USA
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> Jane McGary
> Portland, Oregon, USA
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> Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2015 11:59:23 -0700
> From: Mary Sue Ittner <msittner@mcn.org>
> To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org
> Subject: [pbs] Talk by PBS President in SF Bay Area
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> Monday, October 19, 2015
> Exciting South American Bulbs for the Summer and Winter Growing Seasons
> By Nhu Nguyen
> South America is home to many wonderful bulbs, 
> with a diversity of forms and of seasonal bloom. 
> Nhu Nguyen, President of the Pacific Bulb 
> Society, will discuss both easy-to-grow and 
> uncommon species and their cultivation.
> Monthly meetings are held at the San Francisco 
> County Fair Building, Ninth Avenue at Lincoln Way in Golden Gate Park.
> Free parking is available behind the San 
> Francisco County Fair Building on Lincoln Way.
> 4:00 pm ? Botanical gardens walk with the 
> featured speaker. Meet at the entrance to the San Francisco Botanical Garden.
> 5:30 pm ? No-host dinner will take place at Park 
> Chow Restaurant, located at 1240 Ninth Avenue in San Francisco
> 7:15 pm ? Announcements, Plant Forum, and Program 
> Meeting will be held at the San Francisco County Fair Building.
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> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2015 20:59:32 +0100
> From: David Pilling <david@pilling.demon.co.uk>
> To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Subject: [pbs] More list woes
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> Hi,
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> The list went down on Wednesday evening, as you've seen postings have 
> only just started to come through again.
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> Sorry for the trouble, we'll try to do better in future.
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> I suspect ibiblio has a backlog to clear, there may be a delay between 
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> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2015 13:03:24 -0700
> From: Leo Martin <stnalpsoel@gmail.com>
> To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org
> Subject: [pbs] Autumn is here!
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> Some E-mail to me seems to have been bouncing.
> 
> This is the first year I have two Urginia maritima blooming at the same
> time. Bees are all over the spikes, and I hope to have something to send to
> Dell soon.
> 
> Leo Martin
> Zone ?
> Phoenix Arizona USA
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> Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2015 14:02:17 -0700
> From: Diana Chapman <rarebulbs@suddenlink.net>
> To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Subject: Re: [pbs] Bessera elegans
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> I can sell the bulbs of the purple, red or orange ones.
> 
> Diana
>> Diana,
>> 
>> Thank you for the beautiful photos. I enjoy reading your blog & love the
>> images you post. Are you able to sell bulbs of those Besseras or would it
>> be just seeds?
>> 
>> Karl Church
>> Dinuba z9
>>> On Oct 5, 2015 10:34 AM, "Diana Chapman" <rarebulbs@suddenlink.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> My Besseras are all in full bloom now, and I have a new fuchsia pink one,
>>> grown from seed acquired some years ago.  There is a picture on the blog:
>>> http://www.thebulbmaven.typepad.com/.  Has anyone seen any other colors (other
>>> than the usual orange one and the purple one)?
>>> 
>>> Diana
>>> Telos
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> Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2015 14:13:36 -0700
> From: Diana Chapman <rarebulbs@suddenlink.net>
> To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Subject: Re: [pbs] Bessera elegans
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> I should add, Karl, that the orange one that is available commercially 
> makes a lot of offsets, but the other ones are much slower to do so, 
> usually producing only one or two per season.  I am hoping against hope 
> that the pink Bessera will produce cormlets, but time will tell.  I 
> crossed the pink one with a purple one, since it's the only chance I 
> have to get seed from the pink one. I have a gut feeling they will all 
> turn out to be purple, but it will be a while before I know.
> 
> Diana
>> Hi Diana and all,
>> 
>> Mine are too and it seems that they're flowering a lot later than they usually do. Last year they flowered around August and produced a huge number of cormlets. I plan on harvesting them next spring and donating the surplus to the BX. I love them and they're very easy to grow and flower but I'm ran out of space looooong ago.
>> 
>> Warm Regards,
>> Fred Biasella
>> Cambridge (Boston) MA
>> USDA Zone 6b
>> 
>> P.S. I'm glad pbs is up and running. :-)
>> 
>> 
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: pbs [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Diana Chapman
>> Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2015 9:08 AM
>> To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
>> Subject: [pbs] Bessera elegans
>> 
>> My Besseras are all in full bloom now, and I have a new fuchsia pink one, grown from seed acquired some years ago.  There is a picture on the
>> blog:  http://www.thebulbmaven.typepad.com/ .  Has anyone seen any other colors (other than the usual orange one and the purple one)?
>> 
>> Diana
>> Telos
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> Message: 9
> Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2015 14:44:44 -0700
> From: Karl Church <64kkmjr@gmail.com>
> To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Subject: Re: [pbs] Bessera elegans
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> Good to know, thanks
>> On Oct 5, 2015 2:42 PM, "Diana Chapman" <rarebulbs@suddenlink.net> wrote:
>> 
>> I should add, Karl, that the orange one that is available commercially
>> makes a lot of offsets, but the other ones are much slower to do so,
>> usually producing only one or two per season.  I am hoping against hope
>> that the pink Bessera will produce cormlets, but time will tell.  I crossed
>> the pink one with a purple one, since it's the only chance I have to get
>> seed from the pink one. I have a gut feeling they will all turn out to be
>> purple, but it will be a while before I know.
>> 
>> Diana
>> 
>>> Hi Diana and all,
>>> 
>>> Mine are too and it seems that they're flowering a lot later than they
>>> usually do. Last year they flowered around August and produced a huge
>>> number of cormlets. I plan on harvesting them next spring and donating the
>>> surplus to the BX. I love them and they're very easy to grow and flower but
>>> I'm ran out of space looooong ago.
>>> 
>>> Warm Regards,
>>> Fred Biasella
>>> Cambridge (Boston) MA
>>> USDA Zone 6b
>>> 
>>> P.S. I'm glad pbs is up and running. :-)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: pbs [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Diana
>>> Chapman
>>> Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2015 9:08 AM
>>> To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
>>> Subject: [pbs] Bessera elegans
>>> 
>>> My Besseras are all in full bloom now, and I have a new fuchsia pink one,
>>> grown from seed acquired some years ago.  There is a picture on the
>>> blog:  http://www.thebulbmaven.typepad.com/ .  Has anyone seen any other colors
>>> (other than the usual orange one and the purple one)?
>>> 
>>> Diana
>>> Telos
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> Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2015 21:44:10 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Brian Whyer <brian.whyer@btinternet.com>
> To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Subject: Re: [pbs] What's going on in the bulb world...
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> 
>> 
>> My first amaryllis opened today, there will be many more, I've got 7 
>> stems this year. No nerine bowdenii yet, but there are buds.
>> 
>> I got two heavy boxes of bulbs last week - just need to decide that the 
>> bedding plants have had their day and get on with dibbing bulbs.
> Not sure where you are David but the Amaryllis (belladonna) were at their best here (Bucks/UK)?at the end of August and are now well over. Currently Nerine bowdenii are showing a few stems but no flowers yet. Some of the hybrids (eg. N. Zeal Giant)?are showing colour but still to open. Don't think they are ever near one another in timing.
> Brian Whyer
> 
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> Message: 11
> Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2015 00:56:20 +0100
> From: David Pilling <david@pilling.demon.co.uk>
> To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org
> Subject: Re: [pbs] What's going on in the bulb world...
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> Hi,
> 
> On 05/10/15 22:44, Brian Whyer wrote:
>>> My first amaryllis opened today, there will be many more, I've got 7
>>> stems this year. No nerine bowdenii yet, but there are buds.
>> Not sure where you are David
> 
> First rule of posting to the PBS list, give your location. I'm in 
> Blackpool, North West coast of England.
> 
>> the Amaryllis (belladonna) were at their best here (Bucks/UK) at the end of August and are now well over.
> 
> You are a couple of hundred miles South of me, warmer etc
> 
> 
> -- 
> David Pilling
> http://www.davidpilling.com/
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> Message: 12
> Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2015 20:28:01 -0700
> From: Travis O <enoster@hotmail.com>
> To: <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Subject: Re: [pbs] Colchicum cilicicum blooming and more on new blog
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> Thank you Jane, very informative!
> 
> I'll add these bits:
> 
> The Plant List (via Kew) lists C. giganteum and bornmuelleri as synonyms of C. speciosum. [1]
> 
> The Plant List considers C. bivonae a synonym of C. cilicicum via Kew. [2]
> 
> The book 'Flowers for Northern Gardens' by Leon C. Snyder wrote that C. 'Lilac Wonder' is a hybrid of C. autumnale and C. speciosum. Not sure where they sourced that info. [3] A google search found a few similar accounts as those species being the parents. I've not found data listing the original hybridizer, only that it was for sale at or before 1926. Does anyone have any old catalogs?
> 
> I'm not sure where I read that 'Lilac Wonder' was a hybrid of giganteum and bornmuelleri, or if the two were just "suspected" as being the parents. Being that both are considered speciosum variants, it's not COMPLETELY wrong...
> 
> [1] http://theplantlist.org/tpl1.1/record/…
> 
> [2] http://theplantlist.org/tpl1.1/record/…
> 
> [3] https://books.google.com/books/…
> 
> Travis Owen
> Rogue River, OR
> 
> amateuranthecologist.blogspot.com
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