At a different community to which I belong, we joke that before you suggest changes, be sure you want to offer your own time to implement them. I am grateful to all those who put in hours of volunteer time to make PBS work. Linda Press Wulf, Berkeley, Northern California On Tue, Feb 14, 2023 at 4:00 AM <pbs-request@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: > Send pbs mailing list submissions to > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/… > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > pbs-request@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > pbs-owner@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of pbs digest..." > > > List-Post:<mailto:pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > List-Archive:<http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Email list and forum (David Pilling) > 2. Re: Email list and forum (Lesley Richardson) > 3. Re: pbs Digest, Vol 72, Issue 8 (Denis Kearns) > 4. Re: Email list and forum (Matt Mattus) > 5. Re: Email list and forum (Diane Whitehead) > 6. Re: Email list and forum (R Hansen) > 7. Next EU BX in the pipeline (Uli) > 8. Re: Email list and forum (Jan Jeddeloh) > 9. Re: Email list and forum (R Hansen) > 10. Re: Email list and forum (Bridget Wosczyna) > 11. Re: Email list and forum (michaelcmace@gmail.com) > 12. Re: Email list and forum (Christine Doud) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2023 12:52:09 +0000 > From: David Pilling <david@davidpilling.com> > To: pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > Subject: Re: [pbs] Email list and forum > Message-ID: <b52e73c6-222c-bac9-0f64-fa2227bccbb9@davidpilling.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > > Hi, > > From my perspective, the forum came from users not from the board. We > had years of the 'list being criticized as unfit to be on the internet, > and a forum being touted as the solution. > > We're not limited to the current mailman 2 software. Let me know if you > have a better solution. > > My preferences: > > open source, non-proprietary, free > ability for users to choose their delivery format (html or text, > pictures or not) > web-archive which we own > run under PBS domain name. > > There's the 'audience' problem, we've run a low bandwidth text maillist > for many years, the current users are those who like that solution. > Changing to anything else will upset more than it will please. > > I like groups.io the admin burden is much smaller. What I have against > it, is that they want a lot of money to run it under your own domain. > > I can flick a switch and this will be a html 'list with pictures. But is > anyone going to be unhappy when they get 100MB of pictures in their > mailbox. > > When we did have pictures on the 'list, I got complaints that the size > allowed (many MB) was too small. > > > > -- > David Pilling > http://www.davidpilling.com/ > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2023 07:36:01 -0800 > From: Lesley Richardson <lesleykayrichardson@gmail.com> > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> > Cc: Johannes-Ulrich Urban <johannes-ulrich-urban@t-online.de> > Subject: Re: [pbs] Email list and forum > Message-ID: > <CAGLnzBwG+wtV7YBOdR8-=- > Og_OepZSwJ3RJc_esrfQ_3kCTY1Q@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Agree with Ulrich. Keeping a website, emails etc., safe from being hacked > and in good order is a lot of work and I am grateful, even as a lapsed > member. The knowledge shared so freely with us all is priceless. > Lesley > > On Sun, Feb 12, 2023, 5:21 PM Johannes-Ulrich Urban via pbs < > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: > > > Hello Ottoline, Robert and hello All, > > > > Having read the comments on the email list in the recent postings, I > would > > like to mention some points. > > > > It was a thoroughly discussed and long prepared decision of the board to > > start the forum. Within the email list there was more and more criticism > > that it was technically outdated and very many people had difficulties in > > posting pictures or did not succeed at all. Every time this happened the > > issue was taken on individually by our webmaster David who is working in > > the background, mostly invisible but still like clockwork. Please > consider > > his workload which had to be reduced. So pictures can no longer be posted > > in the old email list. The management of an email list is also a time > > consuming process handled by several members, invisible and in the > > background as well. > > > > All this is much easier with a forum, demanding much less manpower. > > > > Those of you who receive the list in digest form (like me) will have > > sighed not only once about the chain of replies to replies to replies?? > > often difficult to find the actual new message; that alone was a reason > to > > do something about it. > > > > We are aware that the transition to the new forum may be difficult for > > some participants. Speaking for myself I found it difficult too and I > have > > always liked the email list. My very first start with a computer, > internet > > and email was with this list and the Pacific Bulb Society. I am not the > > youngest and I am for sure not a computer nerd?? > > But now I find the forum easy to use. > > We have offered help, this offer is still valid, please contact one of > the > > board members if you need assistance. > > For those of you who have not yet dared themselves into the forum, it is > > very easy, just try. I counted the clicks, you need 3 (three) after > opening > > the PBS website. After these three clicks you can see loads of good > > pictures, or participate in discussions. (Open the website, Click on > Forum, > > then for example on Current Photographs and another click on February > > Photos will open many current pictures. You can click on any pictures to > > enlarge it. That would be the fourth click?? > > > > I also needed help several times at some points which was always given in > > the same friendly way as usual. > > > > Bye for now > > > > Uli > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > pbs mailing list > > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/… > > Unsubscribe: <mailto:pbs-unsubscribe@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> > > PBS Forum latest: > > https://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php/… > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2023 10:15:12 -0800 > From: Denis Kearns <bogdmk@gmail.com> > To: pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > Subject: Re: [pbs] pbs Digest, Vol 72, Issue 8 > Message-ID: > <CALenvZE1eVtk7tt4aeN2X=SGk9VKODWeQHf1N3= > es1uw0Xvp7A@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Just wanted to express my appreciation for all the great folks who have > volunteered their time in making PBS an excellent society and web > presence. Although the email that caused some excitement was unfortunate, > the reality is that certain individuals have personality traits destructive > to the cooperative environment needed for the PBS board. I?ve been > involved with various groups and have experienced the damage a single > individual can do. I applaud the board in recognizing and avoiding the > problems from an unsuitable candidate. > > And now, an opinion: Cuba has many issues, but they do value education > (literacy rate in 2022 was almost 100% versus 79% for US) and all citizens > have access to high quality health care. In light of that, I do appreciate > the PBS following Cuba?s example with our strong emphasis on education and > a concern for the health of our society and our plants. > > Cheers and my Dichleostemmas are blooming, > > -Denis > > Message: 4 > On Sunday, 12 Feb 2023 at 16:42:45 Robert Lauf via pbs < > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net: > > Yes, it would be nice to allow members to vote on lots of things, but the > PBS governance model appears to be patterned on that of Cuba.? The Board > essentially elects its own members from a list of candidates they select > via an arbitrary, capricious, and completely opaque process, much like the > Politburo.? We were recently (inadvertently) given a glimpse into the inner > workings and attitudes at the Mother Ship and it wasn't a pretty picture.? > Nor surprisingly, many excellent people have better things to do than try > to improve things in the face of resistance, secrecy, and outright abuse.? > Is it any wonder that volunteers are hard to find in this environment? > It's time to send a few of the Commissars off the the Gulag and start > over.? Just my opinion, but feel free to make it your own. > Bob? Zone 7 > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2023 13:29:12 -0500 > From: Matt Mattus <mmattus@charter.net> > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> > Subject: Re: [pbs] Email list and forum > Message-ID: <349102A1-A87E-4882-B496-5F97421A13EB@charter.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Has the board discussed using Instagram? > > This is probably a comment for far left field, but...so forgive me, as I'm > new to this current discussion... > > ....but, for me: > > The email lists are invasive when most of us receive 100+ emails a day > from elsewhere > Then and forums feel like a technology that's quickly becoming outdated as > they require more steps and time (navigation and logging in). > > I imagine that there are many members already on Instagram, and it's > becoming the first plant I look when searching for images of a rare bulb, > though my second source remains the PBS. I suspect that I am not alone. > > Just curious. If this discussed already, my apologies. > > Matt > Matt Mattus > > Zone 6a > Worcester, MA > > > ?On 2/12/23, 11:36 PM, "pbs on behalf of Steve Marak via pbs" < > pbs-bounces@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net <mailto: > pbs-bounces@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> on behalf of > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net <mailto:pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net>> > wrote: > > > Hi Uli, Garak, and all, > > > As someone who is known to be skeptical of forums, I feel obliged to > respond. > > > First, I'll go out on a limb and say that I don't think people are > complaining that they didn't know the forum was coming, so much as that > there was really no debate and no one but the Board had any say in the > matter. That of course touches on the other matter being discussed today. > > > Personally, I have used forums since very soon after they appeared on > the scene, both personally and professionally. In the beginning, I also > hailed them as the coming thing which would surely be a great > improvement on that (all of a few decades old, at that time) dinosaur, > the mailing list. Unfortunately, newer is not always better. I'm not a > forum fan simply because things which were easy and intuitive with the > mailing list are now painful, and in a few cases apparently impossible, > with the forum. I can give you specific examples, and will privately if > you like, but that would be a rather long note. (I know this because I > wrote it, and after seeing the length, discarded it.) > > > I can and do use the forum - I worked with IT for many years. I get > frustrated with its shortcomings and quirks (it seems every one is > configured differently), but I have no fear of it. I will contribute > less than I did via email because the forum, even with a browser tab > left permanently open to it, is a pain. My sense is that a lot of other > people are contributing less than they used to, too. And I know specific > PBS members who are simply not going to make that transition at all. It > makes little sense to me to say "we have to worry about people who can > post to the mailing list but can't attach a picture" but NOT worry about > the people we're going to lose entirely, or whose contributions we will > reduce, if we take the mailing list away. They're less important? > > > Nothing, forum or email, is completely trouble free. But I'm a member of > mailing lists that have thousands of subscribers, allow image > attachments, and rarely have any issues (I know this because I know the > admins, and in one case have served as an emergency admin myself), so I > know it can be done. Now, doing it with Mailman, as David is forced to > do, is much harder; he and I have had some private discussion about that > already, and there are definitely issues. This should not be construed > as any criticism of David, by the way - the issues are not his fault, > he spends a lot of time on PBS, and we're lucky to have him involved. He > deserves more thanks from us than he probably gets. > > > (I've been meaning to ping you about a Zantedeschia that came from you > many years ago, but as a peace offering after this post I'll do that on > the forum!) > > > Steve > > > On 2/12/2023 7:21 PM, Johannes-Ulrich Urban via pbs wrote: > > Hello Ottoline, Robert and hello All, > > > > Having read the comments on the email list in the recent postings, I > would like to mention some points. > > > > It was a thoroughly discussed and long prepared decision of the board to > start the forum. Within the email list there was more and more criticism > that it was technically outdated and very many people had difficulties in > posting pictures or did not succeed at all. Every time this happened the > issue was taken on individually by our webmaster David who is working in > the background, mostly invisible but still like clockwork. Please consider > his workload which had to be reduced. So pictures can no longer be posted > in the old email list. The management of an email list is also a time > consuming process handled by several members, invisible and in the > background as well. > > > > All this is much easier with a forum, demanding much less manpower. > > > > Those of you who receive the list in digest form (like me) will have > sighed not only once about the chain of replies to replies to replies?? > often difficult to find the actual new message; that alone was a reason to > do something about it. > > > > We are aware that the transition to the new forum may be difficult for > some participants. Speaking for myself I found it difficult too and I have > always liked the email list. My very first start with a computer, internet > and email was with this list and the Pacific Bulb Society. I am not the > youngest and I am for sure not a computer nerd?? > > But now I find the forum easy to use. > > We have offered help, this offer is still valid, please contact one of > the board members if you need assistance. > > For those of you who have not yet dared themselves into the forum, it is > very easy, just try. I counted the clicks, you need 3 (three) after opening > the PBS website. After these three clicks you can see loads of good > pictures, or participate in discussions. (Open the website, Click on Forum, > then for example on Current Photographs and another click on February > Photos will open many current pictures. You can click on any pictures to > enlarge it. That would be the fourth click?? > > > > I also needed help several times at some points which was always given > in the same friendly way as usual. > > > > Bye for now > > > > Uli > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > pbs mailing list > > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net <mailto: > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> > > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/… < > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/…> > > Unsubscribe: <mailto:pbs-unsubscribe@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > <mailto:pbs-unsubscribe@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net>> > > PBS Forum latest: > https://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php/… < > https://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php/…> > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net <mailto:pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/… < > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/…> > Unsubscribe: <mailto:pbs-unsubscribe@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net <mailto: > pbs-unsubscribe@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net>> > PBS Forum latest: > https://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php/… < > https://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php/…> > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2023 10:33:51 -0800 > From: Diane Whitehead <ldiane.whitehead@gmail.com> > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> > Subject: Re: [pbs] Email list and forum > Message-ID: <22CAD951-70BD-40DC-BEB0-BB4B53CFFB84@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Matt Mattus via pbs <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: > > > > Has the board discussed using Instagram? > > I think a couple of my grandchildren use Instagram but when I receive an > email about it, I can see a photo from them, but no written information. > > Diane > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2023 10:42:59 -0800 > From: "R Hansen" <bulbnut@hansennursery.com> > To: "'Pacific Bulb Society'" <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> > Subject: Re: [pbs] Email list and forum > Message-ID: <002701d93fda$fef638f0$fce2aad0$@hansennursery.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Correct me if I'm wrong. Isn't Instagram optimized for mobile/android > phones? In my opinion not a good way to view photos of plants, especially > closeups... And then there are the advertisements? And text is important > for > PBS folks, if not almost more so than photos... > > Robin Hansen > Snow threatening > > > -- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > http://www.avast.com/ > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2023 21:20:27 +0000 > From: Uli <johannes-ulrich-urban@t-online.de> > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> > Subject: [pbs] Next EU BX in the pipeline > Message-ID: <5bd0945c-b183-f520-3f31-394da200a76f@t-online.de> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > > Dear All, > > Spring is knocking at our doors, so the next EU Seed And Bulb Exchange > (BX) is in the pipeline. Please think of your fellow members when you > start repotting and sowing, surplus material is most welcome. As usual > we will do two spring exchanges, the first one for mainly seed will be > scheduled around mid March, the second one for mainly bulbs will be > later. This has worked well in the past. We are never sure how the > weather will be like in March, that is why we do a second round for the > more frost sensitive summer growing bulbs. Seed is much less prone to > damage than bulbs. > > This is only a notice, please do not send anything as yet; we will > announce the opening of the donation time window in due course through > all the channels. If you need seed envelopes for your future donation, > the PBS offers them free of charge, please get in touch with Martin > Bohnet? <garak@code-garak.de> who will send them to you. > > All the information on the EU Seed and Bulb Exchange can be found here: > > ?https://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php/… > > Please remember that the EU Seed and bulb exchange is only open to fully > paid members with a delivery address in the EU. You do not need to be a > donor to be entitled to participate. This is a notice for the EU only, > the US exchanges follow different schedules. > > And please do not hesitate to contact Uli Urban > (johannes-ulrich-urban@t-online.de) in case of questions. > > > Bye for now > > Uli and Martin > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2023 16:57:36 -0800 > From: Jan Jeddeloh <seedyjan1@gmail.com> > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> > Subject: Re: [pbs] Email list and forum > Message-ID: <CDE46CAB-11C7-4E49-A3C5-CD244D15F9BD@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Yes Instagram is optimized for mobile devices. It?s designed for pictures > and there sure as hell are ads. It?s really hard to post pictures on from > a computer, at least a Mac. I really don?t think Instagram should be our > main way of communicating with people although it?s a very nice additional > way of attracting members. Do we have an official Instagram site because > if we don?t we should. > > Jan > > > On Feb 13, 2023, at 10:42 AM, R Hansen via pbs < > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: > > > > Correct me if I'm wrong. Isn't Instagram optimized for mobile/android > > phones? In my opinion not a good way to view photos of plants, especially > > closeups... And then there are the advertisements? And text is important > for > > PBS folks, if not almost more so than photos... > > > > Robin Hansen > > Snow threatening > > > > > > -- > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > > http://www.avast.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > > pbs mailing list > > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/… > > Unsubscribe: <mailto:pbs-unsubscribe@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> > > PBS Forum latest: > https://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php/… > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2023 17:03:27 -0800 > From: "R Hansen" <bulbnut@hansennursery.com> > To: "'Pacific Bulb Society'" <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> > Subject: Re: [pbs] Email list and forum > Message-ID: <006401d94010$261cb410$72561c30$@hansennursery.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Well, if PBS has an Instagram site, does that mean we need a moderator? > Because I think PBS web volunteers have more than enough to do now but at > the same time, having various folks scattered here and there moderating > different software is not a good idea in terms of left hand vs. right hand. > > >>>>>>Yes Instagram is optimized for mobile devices. It?s designed for > pictures and there sure as hell are ads. It?s really hard to post pictures > on from a computer, at least a Mac. I really don?t think Instagram should > be our main way of communicating with people although it?s a very nice > additional way of attracting members. Do we have an official Instagram > site because if we don?t we should. > > Robin Hansen > Wet, cold, windy > > > -- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > http://www.avast.com/ > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2023 20:35:51 -0500 > From: Bridget Wosczyna <fritchick@gmail.com> > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> > Subject: Re: [pbs] Email list and forum > Message-ID: <EACD7DC5-CA4B-4243-BD6C-688081478BEF@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > I would happily handle an Instagram account for PBS. (I often post on my > account about PBS.) > > I could pull pics and info from the wiki and make posts. (Would give photo > credits, etc). > > I?m very active on Instagram so give me the green light and consider it > done. > > B > > > On Feb 13, 2023, at 8:03 PM, R Hansen via pbs < > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: > > > > ?Well, if PBS has an Instagram site, does that mean we need a moderator? > Because I think PBS web volunteers have more than enough to do now but at > the same time, having various folks scattered here and there moderating > different software is not a good idea in terms of left hand vs. right hand. > > > >>>>>>> Yes Instagram is optimized for mobile devices. It?s designed for > pictures and there sure as hell are ads. It?s really hard to post pictures > on from a computer, at least a Mac. I really don?t think Instagram should > be our main way of communicating with people although it?s a very nice > additional way of attracting members. Do we have an official Instagram > site because if we don?t we should. > > > > Robin Hansen > > Wet, cold, windy > > > > > > -- > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > > http://www.avast.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > > pbs mailing list > > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/… > > Unsubscribe: <mailto:pbs-unsubscribe@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> > > PBS Forum latest: > https://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php/… > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 11 > Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2023 20:46:13 -0800 > From: <michaelcmace@gmail.com> > To: <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> > Subject: Re: [pbs] Email list and forum > Message-ID: <024701d9402f$44c6cc60$ce546520$@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > This is a helpful discussion. For some reason I had thought that the intent > was to gradually kill off the mailing list and move all discussion to the > forum. I am glad to hear that's not the case. > > I am very content to let the forum and mail list survive side by side, and > to let Charles Darwin sort out what happens to them long term. > > I think the biggest risk to the survival of both is that Facebook and other > social media sites have captured much of the attention of the younger > generations. There's a lot of interest in bulbs among younger people, but > they're interacting mostly in social media. I wouldn't even mind that, but > the way they work puts the focus almost completely on photos. It's very > difficult to have a meaningful written discussion there, which is what I've > always loved about PBS. > > Many thanks to the small group of stalwarts who have been keeping the > lights > on. > > Mike > San Jose, CA > Min temp 20F / -6C > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 12 > Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2023 20:57:10 -0800 > From: Christine Doud <christinedoud@shasta.com> > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> > Subject: Re: [pbs] Email list and forum > Message-ID: <237DD176-5D6D-45F2-89ED-F257E43ADF32@shasta.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > You are a peach Bridget!! You must have lots of energy and be very > organized. > > Christine > > > On Feb 13, 2023, at 5:36 PM, Bridget Wosczyna via pbs < > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: > > > > ?I would happily handle an Instagram account for PBS. (I often post on > my account about PBS.) > > > > I could pull pics and info from the wiki and make posts. (Would give > photo credits, etc). > > > > I?m very active on Instagram so give me the green light and consider it > done. > > > > B > > > >> On Feb 13, 2023, at 8:03 PM, R Hansen via pbs < > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: > >> > >> ?Well, if PBS has an Instagram site, does that mean we need a > moderator? Because I think PBS web volunteers have more than enough to do > now but at the same time, having various folks scattered here and there > moderating different software is not a good idea in terms of left hand vs. > right hand. > >> > >>>>>>>> Yes Instagram is optimized for mobile devices. It?s designed for > pictures and there sure as hell are ads. It?s really hard to post pictures > on from a computer, at least a Mac. I really don?t think Instagram should > be our main way of communicating with people although it?s a very nice > additional way of attracting members. Do we have an official Instagram > site because if we don?t we should. > >> > >> Robin Hansen > >> Wet, cold, windy > >> > >> > >> -- > >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > >> http://www.avast.com/ > >> _______________________________________________ > >> pbs mailing list > >> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > >> http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/… > >> Unsubscribe: <mailto:pbs-unsubscribe@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> > >> PBS Forum latest: > https://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php/… > > _______________________________________________ > > pbs mailing list > > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/… > > Unsubscribe: <mailto:pbs-unsubscribe@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> > > PBS Forum latest: > https://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php/… > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/… > Unsubscribe: <mailto:pbs-unsubscribe@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> > PBS Forum latest: > https://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbsforum/index.php/… > > > ------------------------------ > > End of pbs Digest, Vol 72, Issue 9 > ********************************** > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/… Unsubscribe: <mailto:pbs-unsubscribe@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> PBS Forum https://…