All, Uli's suggestion is a good one, and I'm happy to share some experience on that subject. Before we did the huge group orders, I ordered individually from SA Bulb and in one case I went in with a fellow member on a joint order. It definitely helped ease the pain of shipping costs and given the low catalog prices, we were both happy with the final result. Bear in mind that the shipping for a box a bit larger than a shoebox from South Africa to Tennessee was about $130 as I recall. If you order enough to fill it, there might be $250 worth of bulbs, which would easily be 2-3 times that value on the US market if you could even find them. So under those terms, the shipping is about 50% of the bulb cost and is reasonable. The trick is thus to have an order that really fills a smaller box rather than shipping a big box that's half empty. The vendor can work with you to optimize that issue, but this is the overall economics in a nutshell. The US and EU group orders benefit from having several members who already have permits and know how to deal with the inspection process, so it would be ideal if one of the Canadian members knows how their processes work or is willing to learn ahead of time! Bob Merry Christmas from Tennessee - cloudy and 68 degrees _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net https://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/… Unsubscribe: <mailto:pbs-unsubscribe@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> PBS Forum https://…